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Info-Mac Digest             Fri,  2 Jul 93       Volume 11 : Issue 134

Today's Topics:

      [*] internet abbreviations
      [*] QT movie of 3D sine wave
      Auto Restart
      Cheap Boston Accommodation?
      Creating VAX-compatible PostScript (Summary)
      Does MAZ work under 7.1?
      Ehman HD troubles (A)
      End of File (R)
      End of Line and and Searching the net.
      Eudora Manuals
      Excel->PC Works
      Filemaker Pro - 2 problems
      Floatfixer, what is this reappearing startup application (A)
      Font sought: Comix
      Getting Harassed
      I-M Sexual Harassment (R)
      Info-Mac Digest V11 #133
      Inside Macintosh. (c)
      Is there a PERL for Macintosh (Q)
      loose != didn't win
      Mac 1984 commercial
      Macintosh 3-D Drawing Program
      Mac TCP 1.1.1 availability
      Mac TSP v.4.2
      Menus
      Microsft and the Mac
      Microsoft - yet again (C)
      MicroSoft Word and NOW Menus
      Missing Subject Lines
      NetWarmer...
      NowSave
      PageMaker for Education
      PC version of Eudora
      PowerBook 145B (R)
      Premier QT
      ProGraph Interest Groups (Q)
      SCSI Tape backup software for mac wanted
      Searching the Net (A)
      Sending Mail To Compuserve...THANKS!
      Trying to use a SeaGate harddrive (Q)
      Where is Sys 6.0.8L ?

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 12:11:05 EST
From: Dr. G. Paul Savage <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] internet abbreviations

There has been some renewed interest in internet/usenet abbreviations and I
notice another list has been added to the info/comm directory. The two lists,
namely, internet-acronyms.txt and usenet-acronyms.txt pretty much overlap. In
the interest of clarity I have combined the list in my original posting with
the list in the usenet-acronyms.txt posted by Daniel J. Hofferth. Perhaps this
list should replace both of the previously mentioned files. Also, the file
should be called internet (or usenet) "abbreviations", not internet (or
usenet)
"acronyms". Acronyms can be spoken as a word (e.g. NASA) whereas abbreviations
are just the letters (e.g. BTW). Some on the list *are* acronyms of course
(e.g. MUD, SNAFU) but most are not. This seems picky but someone pointed this
out to me the day after I posted internet-acronyms.txt.

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/info/internet-usenet-abbreviations.txt; 3K]

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 93 21:23:53 PDT
From: [e-mail] (John Thoo)
Subject: [*] QT movie of 3D sine wave

I received my copy of Student Theorist today, and couldn't wait to try
creating a QT movie of some animated graph.  This is not only my first
attempt at creating an animated graph in Theorist, but it's also my first
attempt at creating a QT movie.

Description
 ----------
Graph of z = sin(x^2 + y^2 + a), where a = 0 to  6.28 in 10 steps of 0.628;
and 10 frames @ 8fps. Created using Theorist Student Edition 1.52 (Prescience
Corp/PWS Publishing).

Enjoy!
J. B. THOO, Math Dept, Univ of California, Davis <[e-mail]>
``My other machine is a Macintosh.''

 ------------------------------------cut here--------------------------------

[Archived as /info-mac/grf/qt/sine-wave-3d.hqx; 114K]

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 16:49:46 -1000 (HST)
From: Rhys <[e-mail]>
Subject: Auto Restart

I am looking for an app or cp/ex that will restart my mac at a certain
point of the day (say, 4:00am).  I'm sure there is something out there,
but I haven't found anything yet.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
--Sunny Walker
[e-mail] or [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 14:23:08 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael LeBlanc)
Subject: Cheap Boston Accommodation?

I'm going to visit Boston MacWorld in early August, and I was wondering if
any Bostonians have some ideas about inexpensive accommodations there, such
as University dorms?


Michael LeBlanc, [e-mail]
Nova Scotia College of Art and Design
5163 Duke Street, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, B3J 3J6

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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1993 09:42 +0100 (MET)
From: Hans de Wolf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Creating VAX-compatible PostScript (Summary)

Some time ago I asked the Info-Mac reader for a way to create
PostScript files on a Mac, which could be processed furtrer on a
VAX/VMS system in FORTRAN (the problem was that the Mac PS files
have a very large line length).

I want to thank all who replied to my question:

Peter MacDonald ([e-mail]) suggested a change
in the VAX FORTRAN programs that process the file. Opening the file
with OPEN (JFILE,FILE=FILNAM,STATUS='OLD',FORM='UNFORMATTED') allows
the file to be processed a byte at a time, unlimited by record length.
These seems to me a valid solution, but requires a modification of the
exiting programs.

Dale Talcott ([e-mail]) gave a solution if this job does not
have to be done too often: read the file in MicroSoft Word, set left
and right margins to 0, set the font to courier 9 and save the file as
"Text Only with Line Breaks". This solution works, but I found out that
Word 5.x tries to interpret the file using the Encapsulated Postscript
conversion module.This can be prevented by removing the EPS-TIFF-PICT
file from the Commands folder.

Don Markuson ([e-mail]) came up with the PSlinewrap.c from
Adobe, which wraps the line at 255 columns.

Douglas Wyman ([e-mail]) presented what was the easiest
solution for me: use the LaserWriter 8.0 driver and select the "Level 1
compatible ASCII" option. Line lengths are limited to 255 characters, and
you can select which fonts are to be included (non, all or all except the
one built into the printer). This solution worked fine for me.

Hans de Wolf
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 12:17:03 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Does MAZ work under 7.1?

If this was not a frequently asked question, it was a frequently answered
one! Some people had given up, or found that it started to work and
attributed it to magic. This really should be added into a FAQ, and into
the documentation. Here is the question and answer, FAQ style:

I just upgraded to System *.*, and MaxAppleZoom (MAZ) no longer works. It
loads with an X through the icon. Can I not use it with the new System?

Yes, if it has been working and the new system is version is 7.1 or lower.
However for it to work you may have to:
>Try opening the monitors control panel, playing with a bunch of the
seetings.
>Close it so it saves the changes and then reopen it and return your settings
>to normal.  Then restart the Mac and hopefully MAZ will return.  (There's
>some preferences resource that the monitors control panel doesn't have if
>you use the default settings and that MAZ can't work without. )
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Alan Coopersmith                        Internet: [e-mail]
Actually, just opening and closing the monitors panel may work. Also, make
sure you are running the latest version on MaxAppleZoom, which is 1.43. And
pay the Shareware fee!
Bryan Walls                             My words are not NASA policy.
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 16:27:13 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ehman HD troubles (A)

Recently I posted a message about an older Ehman hard drive that
worked fine on a Plus but failed miserably on a Classic II, not even
allowing the Classic II to boot up if the Ehman was attached.

A number of helpful people responded saying that they had solved
similar problems by reformatting the drive with more modern software.
(Silverlining, Drive7 and the most recent version of the Ehman formatter
were all suggested.) The consensus was that the older disk driver,
which like all disk drivers loads very early in the startup process,
was killing the Classic II.

I haven't tried it yet, so I can't testify to the accuracy of this advice,
but that is the distilled wisdom of the net as it arrived in my mailbox.

Thanks to these folks for their advice and comments:

  [e-mail]
  Jim Vance    [e-mail]
  John Hess    [e-mail]
  barney       [e-mail]
  Kevin Purcell [e-mail]
  Joe Delaney  [e-mail]
  Pieter Stouten [e-mail]

Mark Lankton ([e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 93 14:48:56 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: End of File (R)

Luis asks:

>When I first started netting, I had lots of problems de-funking the files
>that I did download successfully.  I learned about BinHex, Stuffit Expander
>et al, however, it still happens once in a while that I get an error of the
>type: "end of file encountered", and I can't unBinHex the damn thing.  What
is
>this End of File, how can I get rid of it, and all that.  I really wanna
>know.
>So if anyone out there knows, please, don't spare me the gory details!

Are you sure the file is BinHexed to begin with? You'll get that message
if you try to de-hqx a text file. Check the suffix on the file, or just
give opening it with a word processor a whirl.

If this isn't your problem, then I've no clue...;). Good luck,
                                  Pat

Pat Ullmann  [e-mail] or PULLMANN@TRINITY (BITNET)

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 14:08:53 EST
From: Scott Kaplan           <[e-mail]>
Subject: End of Line and and Searching the net.

Hopefully I can answer your questions from Info-Mac Digest #133 well enough.

First, End of File problems.  EOF is actually a control character (that is,
it is an actual character that your computer knows about and your files can
store, but you can't see it typed out.)  On most modern file systems, an End
Of File (EOF) character is placed at the very end of the file, so that the
system knows it should stop reading--everything beyond that character is
either garbage or part of another file.  If you are getting this error
trying to unBinHex files, it means one of two things.  1) Your file has  an
erroneous EOF character somewhere in the middle, and it's confusing the
deBinHex program.  It knows there should be more to the file, but it just
ran into this EOF and so it stops reading.  Or, 2) You didn't succefully
download the whole file.  The comes early because the whole thing isn't
there.  In both cases, the deBinHex program knows how much data it need to
read in, but for one reason or another, it's being told that there's no more
data to read.  Try downloading those files and trying again, and watch your
transfers to be sure they're concluding 100% succesfully.

Searching for files on the Internet.  There is a program called archie which
does this for you.  I've only used it on Unix (and I've never seen an
Internet-connected Unix box without a copy of it), but there may be versions
for VMS or the Mac, I don't know.  If you can get to a Unix box with it, you
can just enter "archie <filename>" and it will go off and look for that
filename for you.  There are more options, such as giving a partial filename
and having it ignore case when searching...I think doing "archie -s
<partial-filename>" will do that for you.  Do a "man archie" and it will
tell you more about it.

Good luck.

Scott Kaplan
IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 08:36:58 -0800
From: Jerry Wilcox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eudora Manuals

Brian R. Gaeke <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>  I think your flames were somewhat misdirected. Eudora's manual is in
> PageMaker 4.2 format.
>

Lemme see here. I just looked at ftp.qualcomm.com and find a .sea
containing the Eudora Manuals and a readme saying they are in Microsoft
Word format. Now I didn't d/l 700K+ to verify that somehow the manuals I
downloaded and printed a while back haven't magically changed to PageMaker
documents, but when I got them, they were Word documents. I don't have
PageMaker, so couldn't have printed the manual if they were in that format.

Jerry
-----
Jerry Wilcox - [e-mail]  or [e-mail]
All opinions are mine alone

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Date: 02 Jul 1993 10:01:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Excel->PC Works

What would be the best format to save an Excel 4 spreadsheet in so that it
can be read by PC MS-Works for Windows?

Thanks!

-Dwight

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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1993 19:41:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Filemaker Pro - 2 problems

Try though I may, I can't seem to get FileMaker Pro to cooperate in two
specific areas:
1- ALTERNATE PAGE PRINTING --does anyone know if FileMaker Pro is capable of
printing alternate pages so that I can use both sides of a page to save on
bulk?
2-  DUPLICATE ELIMINATION -- Is it possible to merge two large and almost
identical files and wind up with one file containing ALL unduplicated entries
and NO duplicates?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.    [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 10:04:12 PDT
From: gla-aux![e-mail] (Glenn Austin)
Subject: Floatfixer, what is this reappearing startup application (A)

FloatFixer is a startup app that gets created by older versions of the Tokamac
(and TSI Magellan) software.  You probably have a Tokamac or Magellan
accelerator in your machine, or at least have the older software.  Check
with Fusion if you have a Tokamac or you can get the Magellan software from
umich.

BTW, Galaxy Hardware Publishers (GHP) has been put together by some former
TSI employees to support the TSI hardware.  So, those of you with TSI
accelerators and software with tech support needs still have a place to
go.  The new number for tech support is [phone].

// Glenn L. Austin
// Macintosh Wizard and Auto Racing Driver
// Usenet:  [e-mail] or ...skinner!gla-aux!glenn

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Date: 2 Jul 1993 14:07:17 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Christian Schwarzfischer)
Subject: Font sought: Comix

I'm looking for a special font named Comix, which is used in comics of all
sorts. It is quite certain that it is a shareware font, but I did not find
it on the major FTP-sites, so I'm asking you readers of this newsgroup.

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks

Chris
--
Chris Schwarzfischer
Internet: [e-mail]
      [e-mail]
BBS: Kith on Isca BBS, Quartz, Prism and Sunset

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 09:16:32 CDT
From: [e-mail] (Daniel V. Blystone)
Subject: Getting Harassed

I would like to say first off that harassment based on sex is stupid.
Next I would like to say that If you think you are being harassed and do
not say anything about it you will continue to be harassed.  You may
continue to be harassed even after you go public but at least you have
others on your side.

In my opinon, if we are going to separate ourselves in to catagories like
n-DWEM and a host of others that is fine.  As long as someone does not
label me this out of harassment I don't care.  If I give myself that label
then who realy cares except me and the people who think it is funny.

If we are going to split off the women to a separate list, then why don't
we split off all of the people who are 6ft 6in and up to their list.
People like us get harased all the time.  We get stared at. We can't buy
clothes at normal stores.  Shoes can be hard to find.  To top it all off
people ask us how the weather up here is.

Lets not judge each other on sex but why not judge ourselves on what we
know and can do.

Daniel V. Blystone
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 93 14:09:43 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: I-M Sexual Harassment (R)

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but personally, I don't remember
ever finding anything on either of the Mac networks to which I subscribe
that I would consider sexual harassment or discrimination.On the contrary
netland has been unfailingly helpful and considerate in helping me out
with my many Macproblems. Sure, there are a couple of folks on each list
who I find personally objectionable, but hey, that's life--we're all
gonna offend somebody sometime. A person's behavior has to extend far
beyond the occasional off-color joke or macho remark to constitute
sexual harassment, at least as far as I'm concerned.

I'm as much for equal rights and equal treatment as anyone, but really,
I think sometimes we tend to go overboard with our sensitivity.
OTOH, perhaps others have had very different experiences which would
qualify as harassment by anyone's definition. I'll be interested in
hearing from other women on the net.

                    Pat

Pat Ullmann  [e-mail] or PULLMANN@TRINITY (BITNET)

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 09:21:58 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jennifer Spielberger)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #133

>Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 10:42:43 -0400 (EDT)
>From: [e-mail] (Gordon Oppenheimer)
>Subject: Eudora-like program for the PC
>
>Hello,
>
>Is there a program like Eudora for the PC?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Gordon
>--
> UNIX System Administrator, Computing Services, Fairfield University

Gordon -

Are you asking if there is a POP3 client for the PC? If so, YES!  There are
windows as well as vanilla-DOS versions.  Here's the few I know about...

1. Qualcomm just put out (I believe) their windows version of Eudora.  Get
info from [e-mail].

2. NuPop for DOS (very nice - my favorite).  Get info
[e-mail], or just download via ftp from ftp.acns.nwu.edu
in the /pub/nupop dir.

3. POPMail, also for DOS.  Info from [e-mail].  You
could also try to ftp to the same place and poke around.

4. FTP software distributed a text-based POP3 client with their PC/TCP
package.  No fun at all, but it works, and would be useful to know about if
you also need other TCP/IP programs for your PCs.  [e-mail].

All this information may be a bit dated since I was searching 8 or 10
months ago, but its worth a try!  Good luck!

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93  11:56 GMT
From: Big Nose <[e-mail]>
Subject: Inside Macintosh. (c)

I'm led to believe that THINK Reference from those nice Symantec people
is the answer to all our IM questions. Everyone on the THINK C discussion
list seems to swear by it. Unfortunately, my wife won't let me spend the
75 pounds or so on such frivolous Macintosh stuff so I have to make do with
a borrowed set of IM volumes from a guy at work, so I can't comment from
personal experience.

Andy Law

( LAWA @ iape.afrc.ac.uk                     Big Nose in Edinburgh )

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 07:40:57 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Peter N Lewis)
Subject: Is there a PERL for Macintosh (Q)

[e-mail] writes:

>I've heard about a Unix utility that extracts data from ASCII files and can
>produce reports. Name of utility is Perl. Is there a version for Macintosh?

There is a very nice MPW port of the tool, so if you have MPW, you can
use perl - perl is a truely great scripting language, much better than
awk or sed, if you do much scripting and find the shell scripts and awk
and sed just aren't up to it, and you don't want to regress to C, then
try out perl.

Unfortunately, the stand aloe version of the perl port is a bit lacking,
but the author (of the port) says he'll work on that sometime soon...

Here is the FAQ:
To: [e-mail]
Subject: The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades
Date: Tue, 04 May 1993 18:23:44 +0200
From: Matthias Ulrich Neeracher <[e-mail]>

Hello everybody,

I'm back from the US and working on Perl again. Expect great things to
happen
in the next three months.

Questions and Answers about MPW Perl

Last changed 03May93

Table of contents:

General questions:
1) What is MPW Perl and where can I get it?
2) How do I subscribe/unsubscribe from the MPW Perl mailing list?
3) How do I send an article to the MPW Perl mailing list?
4) How many people are using MPW Perl?
5) Is there a Perl for Think C?

Working with MPW Perl:
6) Why isn't there a decent standalone version ?
7) Is there a collection of MPW Perl scripts anywhere?

Questions:

1) What is MPW Perl and where can I get it?

MPW Perl is a port of Larry Wall's Perl (Practical Extraction and
Report Language) to MPW C.

The most recent version of MPW Perl is always available in

nic.switch.ch [130.59.1.40]    software/mac/src/mpw_c
ftp.eunet.ch  [146.228.10.15]  software/mac/perl

The current version is 4.0.7 (despite the "7", it corresponds to
patchlevel 36 in the Unix version) and is available in the above
directory as

Mac_Perl_407_src.sit.bin       Sources
Mac_Perl_407_tool.sit.bin      MPW Tool
Mac_Perl_407_appl.sit.bin      Standalone Application (See below)

If you want to work with the sources, you will also want to get the
following
files from the same archive:

GUSI_111.sit.bin               Socket library
gdbm_15.sit.bin                Database library (for disk based
associative
                   arrays)

Don't forget to specify *Binary* or Macbinary mode for transfer.

2) How do I subscribe/unsubscribe from the MPW Perl mailing list?

Send mail to [e-mail] stating your intent in
English
or German. Format is unimportant, as mail is processed by a person.

3) How do I send an article to the MPW Perl mailing list?

Articles sent to [e-mail] are automatically sent to the
list. If you have an article that you are not sure whether it should
be distributed, send it to [e-mail]. I will read
your
article, and will send it to the list unless I think I can answer it
exhaustively and neither the question nor the answer are of general
interest.

4) How many people are using MPW Perl ?

As with most software, this is hard to say. Statistically speaking:

- There are 40 subscribers to mpw-perl
- I've had mail about perl from about 120 different correspondents
- As of May 1, 1993, downloads of Perl from nic.switch.ch have been:

Version   Tool  Application Sources
  4.0.5    14       18        13
  4.0.6    50       44        41
  4.0.7    33       48        25

5) Is there a Perl for Think C?

Yes. It is available from

ftp.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.10]   pub/Mac

6) Why isn't there a decent standalone version ?

Because every time I'm trying to write one, I end up adding another
goodie to the MPW Tool instead.

7) Is there a collection of MPW Perl scripts anywhere?

Not really. If you have written a neat script, send it to me and I'll
include
it in further releases.


Enjoy,
   Peter.
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Peter N Lewis <[e-mail]>       Ph: [phone]

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 11:15 -0400
From: P. T. Withington <[e-mail]>
Subject: loose != didn't win

Maybe this is hacker chic, because I often see "loose" where "lose" is
meant on I-M (and elsewhere); maybe it is just that English is
completely bizarre.  If you care:

  loose (rhymes with noose, not choose!) == not tight
  lose (rhymes with blues, not hose!) == didn't win

Brought to you by: CAPER (Committee Against Pernicious English Recidivism)

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 10:50:44 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Michael Rose)
Subject: Mac 1984 commercial

Bill and Jon,

>>I was just wondering if your info-mac question about obtaining the
>>quicktime version of the Mac 1984 commercial was ever answered. Did you
>>manage to get ahold of this movie?

The 1984 MacIntosh commercial is available via anonymous ftp from pollux.lu.se
It is located in the "/pub/mac/quicktime" directory.  I should warn you
about the size of the quicktime movie; IMHO, it is large 5.4 megabytes.

It takes awhile to download...........

Have Fun,
Mike          (South Florida Water Management District)


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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 16:27:42 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Kurt D Whitmore)
Subject: Macintosh 3-D Drawing Program

In digest <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

>Hi Netters,

>Does anyone out there in net-land have experience with a 3-dimensional
drawing
>program on a Macintosh?  I realize that drawing programs such as Canvas,
>MacDraw, AutoCad, PowerPoint, etc. can be used to create 3-dimensional
>effects,
>however I guess what I'm looking for is a program that has a set of widgets
to
>do the 3-D shading etc. automatically.

>Thanks in advance for any helpful suggestions.  Please respond directly and I
>will summarize for the net.

>-Paul-


According to Mac User, Ray Dream Designer is the best cost/performance 3D
package out there. Obviously you could get "better" programs but you'd pay
1500 - 7000 bucks or more. I actually prefer Ray Dream to Infini-d, but then I
don't have to do animation either.

kw

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 11:39:31 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Bernard Seront)
Subject: Mac TCP 1.1.1 availability

Mac TCP is not available on internet, just because it is a commercial
product from Apple. I've tried everything to find it ( sumex-aim,
wuarchive, umich archive, ftp.apple.com ...). It is available at Stanford,
on the net, but only for internal people, this is because stanford
university has a site license.

To answer Ritchie Boyd:

> BTW - I tried to purchase the most recent version from APDA and Apple, but
>got the most phenomenal runaraound of my life. No one I spoke to could locate
>it, and all tried to sponge me off on some other channel. If someone has
>actually found the retail channel that purports to sell it PLEASE let me
>know - I've had a phone hanging from my ears for days.

We had the same problem in France: we purchased Mac TCP 1.1 from APDA
France but when we wanted to upgrade to 1.1.1 APDA was enable to make the
upgrade; see directly from apple they said. Our local reseller CAN'T sell
Mac TCP and Apple France only sell site licenses !!
Perhaps the best (and legal) way to obtain it is to purchase a program like
Versaterm pro wich come with Mac TCP.

Bernard Seront

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Date: Fri,  2 Jul 93 06:22:26 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Mac TSP v.4.2

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Date: 2 July 1993, 09:16:17 EDT
From: Robert E. Moore           404-651-3990         PRPREM   at GSUVM1
To:   INFO-MAC at RICEVM1
Subject: Mac TSP v.4.2

Several of my colleges and I are transferring our empirical work from
mainframe SAS to macintoshes (SE/30's) and are looking at Mac TSP v4.2.
If there is anyone out there that has had experience with using Mac TSP
I'd appreciate hearing the pros and cons as you see them.
I'm particularly interested in how well or if the program can use virtual
memory, but any general comments would also be appreciated.  Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 11:53:29 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: Menus

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> MS Word's menus are different for a reason -- they can be completely
> reconfigured by the user.  You can switch the key-equivalents.  There
> are a lot more commands available than there are menus to display them.
> This is a great, great feature and it would be idiotic of them to remove
> it, just to accomodate NOW Menus (which is largely redundant in MS Word,
> anyway).

Well, true, but the real reason Now Menus has problems is that way
back when in Word 4.0 (or maybe Word 3.0, I can't) Microsoft decided
that Apple's Menu Manager wasn't any good, so they wrote their own.
Programs that can change their menus in various ways are not uncommon,
and most don't have trouble with Now Menus because they use a more
standard method of doing it.

cheers ... -Adam

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 93 23:41:23 HST
From: John Churchill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Microsft and the Mac

Brian R. Gaeke <[e-mail]> said:

>Microsoft has been churning out powerful, easy-to-use software for the Mac
>since (1984? 5?) and until I find that the competition is way ahead of
>MS, I think I will stick with them.
>
>People, I have noticed, tend to jump on Microsoft too much. Just because
>they spawned MS-DOS and Windows doesn't mean that they are Evil.

Arguably, the mac might not be around today if it were not for Microsoft.
A prototype Macintosh was delivered to Bill Gates in (I think) 1982 and the
gui agreement was hammered out then.  At the time, it appeared that IBM
would take over the personal computer industry, and Lotus refused to support
the mac with a version of 1-2-3. Microsoft had Excel and Word ready when the
Mac came to market.

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 93 07:35:09 BST
From: Richard Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Microsoft - yet again (C)

Brian Gaeke writes:

>People, I have noticed, tend to jump on Microsoft too much. Just because
>they spawned MS-DOS and Windows doesn't mean that they are Evil.

It goes back a lot further than MS-DOS and Windoze!! I think it's Bill Gates
crusading style that rubs people up the wrong way. But, having said that, He
must be doing something right - you don't get to rule the IT world *just* by
proclaiming yourself as the New Messiah.
Cheers,
Richard

Hardware & Systems executive,
NorthEast Macintosh User Group.

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 13:52:39 EST
From: Scott Kaplan           <[e-mail]>
Subject: MicroSoft Word and NOW Menus

In Info-Mac digest #133, Charlie Mingo writes:
>Bad call.

>MS Word's menus are different for a reason -- they can be completely
>reconfigured by the user.  You can switch the key-equivalents.  There
>are a lot more commands available than there are menus to display them.
>This is a great, great feature and it would be idiotic of them to remove
>it, just to accomodate NOW Menus (which is largely redundant in MS Word,
>anyway).

I think you might be missing the point.  Yes, Word has always had some very
flexible menus.  They can be user modified and they can be changed through
an expert-mode setting.  Al that is very nice.  The problem is, all of those
menu attributes can be changed through standard Mac Toolbox calls.  As far
as I know, there are no Apple guidelines which restrict an application from
changing it's menus through Toolbox routines.

Either Microsoft programmed word to change the menus through some
non-standard calls, or NowMenus is doing something against Apple's
programming guidelines in trying to modify the menus itself.  However, given
the complains of the NOW people about Word and their inability to fix the
problem, an educated guess would be that Word is not using standard calls to
change it menus.  It then becomes Microsoft's fault.

Microsoft likes to use non-standard methods in some of their programs.
Maybe their methods are more efficient and potentially good changes, but
they seem to implement these changes with lack of regard for the rest of the
Mac OS and other applications and extensions.

Scott Kaplan
IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
[e-mail]
I speak only for myself, and I reserve the right to be corrected by someone
that knows more than I do...

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 09:31:33 EDT
From: [e-mail] (N. J. Taber)
Subject: Missing Subject Lines

The following message was originally posted about a year ago - it looks
like it's time to repeat it:

Have you noticed that your recent article in Info-Mac Digest has been
relegated to the end of the issue, rather than appearing with the others
in alphabetical order by subject?  Have you noticed that your article's
subject is not listed in the topic list at the beginning of the issue?

I've noticed these "orphan" messages frequently in recent digests and sent
a note to the moderator inquiring about them.  His reply indicated that
these messages were received without a subject line in the expected
location, and so end up at the end of the issue.

Now you may say:  "So they're at the end - what's the big deal?"  The
semi-big deal (at least for anyone with an interest in those messages) is
that messages without subject lines are inaccessible at some sites.  For
example, there is software here (over which I have no control) that
receives digests, breaking them up into individual messages and preparing
a menu that permits access to individual messages without requiring the
reader to scan the entire digest.  But this program apparently builds the
menu of messages from the subject lines.  No subject line, no way to
request that message!  Consequently, only readers requesting the entire
digest for viewing ever see those messages without subject lines.  In
addition, the available search routines for the digests only look at the
subject lines - so again, no subject line, no way to find that message.

So, what can you do about this?  First, look to see whether your article
in the digest appears in its expected place in the alphabetical listing by
subject.  If not, its subject line may not be arriving properly.  I'd
suggest checking your message carefully before sending it and asking your
site gurus about the functioning of your message-sending software.  If
there's no way to fix it, you may have to resign yourself to a more
limited audience for your messages!

N. J. Taber
[e-mail]

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Date: 2 Jul 1993 13:02:21 -0500
From: "dlawrence" <[e-mail]>
Subject: NetWarmer...

OK...I admit it...I'm too *stupid* to figure out what NetWarmer (uploaded last
week) is supposed to do.

Any clues, or is someone out there rolling with laughter that it was
downloaded
by anybody?

David Lawrence
Product Evaluation Specialist <-- coolest job *in* the world
CAC/ARPA
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 12:00:01 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: NowSave

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> (When I saw NOW Save, I was reminded of MS Word's auto-save feature, as
> well.)

Nah, lots of programs did autosave long before Word, and frankly,
Word has one of the worst implementations of autosave that I've seen.
Of course I want to autosave the file, you stupid program, don't keep
asking me! :-)

The trick with autosaving is that it has to be linked to time, keystrokes,
and mouse actions/menu commands, and it should allow the option of
saving to another volume as well. And of course, the program shouldn't
allow you to do something (like accidentally delete everything) and
then irrevocably save.

Nisus does quite well, although not perfect. It will save every X
number of keystrokes, which is fine for typing, but not for editing,
where you don't type much while doing a lot of work. In addition,
Nisus will save a second copy of the file to another volume if you
wish, and you can even trick it into saving into the Trash, which
is very handy if you use TrashMan or something that empties the trash
for you every few days. In addition, Nisus's unlimited Undo feature
goes through a Save, so you can quite happily delete your entire document,
do some other stuff in panic, Save, and then Undo all the steps back
to before you deleted the entire document. Unlimited Undo is necessary
in my opinion for that reason alone.

cheers ... -Adam

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 13:07:07 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Terry Thiel)
Subject: PageMaker for Education

[e-mail] writes:
>Students can purchase a text from Addison-Wesley: **Student
>Edition of Aldus PageMaker, Version 4.0**, ISBN 0-201-58391-7, for $49.95
>list. Instructors can request an "examination copy" free. The nice thing
>about the text is that it includes the PM software, limited to 12 page
>documents and no pantone colors.

You can also buy the full PageMaker package for about $150 educational
price.
-Terry

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 08:22:15 -0800
From: Jerry Wilcox <[e-mail]>
Subject: PC version of Eudora

Gordon Oppenheimer asks:
>
> Is there a program like Eudora for the PC?

The answer is a resounding "yes". There is a PC version of Eudora which
requires Windows. I don't know if this is the latest version, but at
ftp.qualcomm.com you might want to look at

    /pceudora/windows/pce11a10.exe

We have several PC users here who are using Eudora (we Mac folks have been
using it for a loooonnnng time).

Jerry
-----
Jerry Wilcox - [e-mail]  or [e-mail]
All opinions are mine alone

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Date: 2 Jul 1993 12:05:09 -0600
From: "Glockzin Donald" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PowerBook 145B (R)

> From: Christian F. Buser <[e-mail]>
> >What is the difference between the 145 and the 145b Powerbooks, i.e.
> >speed grayscale etc...?>
  [deleted stuff]
> 4) System software installed on harddisk. No floppies
>    and no manuals will be supplied.

One floppie is included. It is a bootable disk that contains PowerBook 145B
Restore, Apple HD SC Setup, and Disk First Aid.

> 5) a version of "HD-Backup" will be on the harddisk

The program is called "PowerBook 145B Backup" and comes preinstalled (and not
on floppy).

> Don't know if there are more points, but this is what I remember from a
> presentation given by Industrade (Apple Switzerland) during one of our
> user group meetings.

Add point 6. No microphone.

THANKS -- DG

PS: I should know this as I just received my PB 145B last week.

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 15:35:53 +0100
From: Mr Gordon S Byron <[e-mail]>
Subject: Premier QT

Can anybody point me to a list which discusses QuickTime and Premier?
8MB IICI running Premier finder Quit. Frame rate still too slow
poeaking at around 9.9
thanks gordon

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 9:18:08 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Nick Blackwell)
Subject: ProGraph Interest Groups (Q)

 Hello NetPeople,

    I just bought Prograph to do some programing with. Does
anyone know of a disscusion list that caters to ProGraph
users ? I had heard there was one out there. I checked
The List of Lists from nisc.sri.com but couldnt find one.

     TIA

     Nic Blackwell
     CAE-LINK Corp.
     [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 93 20:14:41 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mike Linnig)
Subject: SCSI Tape backup software for mac wanted

Someone has offered me a SCSI based tape drive for a very low price.

Is there software out there that can use such a tape drive to back up my brand
new 120 Megabyte hard disk?

This is a QWIK tape unit from a MIPS unix platform.  Please mail direct as I
do not regularly read info-mac (wish I could).

Thanks!        -- Mike Linnig, [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 16:34:59 -0700
From: Michael Ross <[e-mail]>
Subject: Searching the Net (A)

> Is there a way that you can search the net for a specific program,
> by name? Kinda like a find command?

Archie.

Telnet to archie.rutgers.edu and log in as archie (no password).

Type help.

The main command is:
prog [String to be matched]

There are important flags so read the help carefully.

You used to be able to do this by mail, too. Try sending the word
help to [e-mail].

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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 93 00:18:43 -0400
From: "Keith E Gatling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sending Mail To Compuserve...THANKS!

As my mailbox fills up with replies, I thought I'd drop a note to thank the
following people for telling me how to contact Riccardo Ettore, and in fact,
anyone else whose Compuserve or AOL address I have.

     Mason L Kramer, Robert E. Winston, Adriano Lucatello, Fergus
     Sullivan, J S Greenfield, Berrie, Steve Anich, "Allan M. Bloom,
     Russell Cotton, and Michael Ross

keg

* [e-mail]   I've got plenty of opinions.  Just ask my wife! *

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 14:30:36 PST
From: [e-mail] (Salient Software)
Subject: Trying to use a SeaGate harddrive (Q)

In article <[e-mail]>
([e-mail]), you write:
    Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 11:01:16 -0500
    From: [e-mail] (Wayne K. Walrath)
    Subject: Trying to use a SeaGate harddrive (Q)

    A friend just called me today to say he found a great deal on a
    Seagate 245meg harddrive (model ST3283N), but it came from what was
    probably a predominantly PC warehouse supplier, and without any kind
    of driver or formatting software.  I don't know what to tell him
    besides take it back, but he is certain that it should be usable, and
    the deal was un.....

    anyone have suggestions on what might format this drive and provide a
    compatible driver?  Is it possible that SilverLining might?

Prior to buying a Seagate drive from an IBM supplier I checked with
Seagate and they assured me that ALL of their SCSI drives are Mac
compatible.  I ordered the drive and never had a problem.  It should
format with any formatting software.  I've formatted mine with several
without a hitch.

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 17:14:19 MSZ
From: [e-mail] (R. Scharnetzki)
Subject: Where is Sys 6.0.8L ?

Hello Netters!
I don't need System 7.1, but I was told that the only version
of System 6 that can run on my ColourClassic is 6.0.8L .
Can anyone told me, frwom where I can get it ?

Thank you.

Ralf Scharnetzki
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 93 15:08:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Path: chandhok
From: [e-mail] (Ravinder Chandhok)
Subject: Synching floppies (R)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (Usenet News System)
Nntp-Posting-Host: gnome.cs.cmu.edu
Cc: <[e-mail]>
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References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 19:08:44 GMT
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In Info-Mac V11 Issue 128 Michael Bach writes:
>Subject: Synching floppies (Q)
>
>Dear colleagues:
>The users of our macs are required to keep their data on personal floppies
and
>to make backups on floppies. That is a major hassle, even if the harddisk is
>used as intermediate medium. Really nice would be the following: A program
>that asks for two floppies (or a folder on harddisk and a floppy), compares
>directories, and copies only changes files to sync the two. For floppy
>synching,
>the harddisk should be used for intermediate storage.
>   Does such a beast exist? I tried several powerbook synching utilities, but
>they were not effective for this task. With apple script came a demo script,
>which nearly does it, but not  for floppies.

You might try using FileRunner(tm) to do the synching.  FileRunner is
specifically suited for 2 reasons: it is set up to use floppies well, and it
can synch more than two-way (you are describing a three-way synch).

And the Wall Street Journal recently referred to it as the "Mercedes of file
synchronization software".

I think it should be available in Germany.  you can find out by calling the
company: MBS Technologies, Inc., at 800-860-8700 (or [phone]), or
faxing to [phone].  There are version for the Mac and
Dos--Windows--OS/2.

BIG DISCLAIMER: I wrote the Mac version.  I am obviously biased.  Please
don't send me email at this account, if you want to send email send it to
[e-mail]

Rob Chandhok
--
Ravinder (Rob) Chandhok              Internet : [e-mail]
Carnegie Mellon University           AppleLink: A14

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